USA Trains EMD F3

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General: 

These are nice looking, well proportioned locomotives. They are available in 2 road numbers for Santa Fe red warbonnets, with the prototype ABBA "LABC" numbering, L=lead, AB are B units, and C is the trailing A unit. They run well.

Earlier units have a small square "pancake" smoke units, and these burn out if they run out of fluid and are not great. The newer units have fan driven smoke units that work very well and have low fluid shutoff.

The wheels are 1.126" measured next to the flange. This scales out to almost 33" in 1:29. Mid-tread, the wheels measure about 1.110" diameter, flanges about 0.12".

There are 2 lead weights in the chassis, that weight exactly 1 pound each, the loco weighs 6.9 punds. The prototype weighs about 230,00 pounds which would scale out to 9.4 pounds, so 2.5 pounds could be added to bring to prototype weight.

How to pick them up:

No kidding! The first thing I noticed is that you need to be careful how you pick them up! If you do what I did, your fingers will either stress the nice grillwork on the upper sides, or you will hear a "pop" and "klink" as a clear plastic window pops loose and rattles around inside!. The windows in the doors are also not well glued in, and you can also dislodge the doors easily.

Pick it up by scooping it up by the "belly" / fuel tanks. Keep your hands off all the nice detail!

Working on the trucks:

The motor blocks have no suspension. The axle tips ride in metal bushings in the sideframes, and the sideframes are part of an "A frame" that mounts and swivels in the chassis.

To pull the trucks apart or out of the loco, you don't need to remove the sideframes, or even the A frame from the loco.

You have 2 options: One option is to pull the journals out to let the axle tips out. Do one by one and just enough to clear the bushing. Then when you get the other end of the axle you can swing the block out. Remember the wires are still attached! Now you can remove the screws to work on the bottom cover. If you remove the wires BE SURE to tag them. I leave the wires on because it is REALLY EASY to mix them up. The 4 pins on the motor block are for the power and motors.

A second option is to leave the motor block in the journals, and just remove the bottom cover screws. (I've never broken a sideframe, but some people worry).

When you remove the gearbox cover, the brass axle bearings will pop out of place. They are squared off, and go with the flat sides up and down. Of course as soon as they get loose, they turn 45 degrees and won't go back in. Put the sideframes back on first, then with a little prying up of the wheelset, align the bearings, and then the gearbox cover will go back on. If it does not pop back in place with light finger pressure, the bearings are not in right. Take the cover off and do it again.

Several symptoms of not getting the bushings back in right:

  • The cover does not snap back in place all the way, you have to force it closed with the screws.
  • The truck makes a grinding noise when running
  • And if you ignore the noise, the gears chew themselves up and you now have a non-powered truck

You have been warned!

Kadee Couplers:

Both the A and the B unit use pedestals to mount the couplers.

The Kadee recommended replacement is a large offset coupler the 831/909, used on the the "pedestal" that the original coupler is on:

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Kadee-recommended conversion:

You need to remove the pedestals with 2 screws, and then remove the stock coupler. You trim the end of the swivel "tang". Cut it just behind the round end at the tip. Use the standard 831/900 coupler, but you need to trim the end of the silver screw before you assemble it, otherwise the screw is too long, and sticks into the pedestal, and the coupler won't swivel. (not mentioned in the Kadee conversion instructions). Note that the swivel "tang" is thinner on the A unit pilot, so your screw trimming needs to be more accurate. Trimming the screw gives you thicker thread diameter through more of the "tang", thus more strength.

The Kadee site says you need to do something special to the pilot on the A, but I used the same procedure. Be sure to re-engage the centering spring/wire into the little hole in the back of the swivel "tang".

From the Kadee site, you will probably want to make little "L" brackets to limit the travel of the coupler, they do swing too much from side to side, although running around corners and backing on my 48" diameter test loop has been no problem so far, but it looks bad at the minimum.

I have this conversion on my locos, and basically the large offset coupler and single swivelling point of attachment does not do a good job under heavy loads, and it looks awful, and works awful too!

Better Kadee conversion:

Colin Camarillo and Ted Doskaris have collaborated on designing and producing a line of Kadee conversions, that have more secure mounting, and use centerset couplers for better performance.

More information and pictures are forthcoming.

 https://www.camarillopacific.com/campacbox/

 

Basic wiring information for DCC or other decoders.

The trucks have 2 sets of wires that come from each truck. They go to black 2-pin connectors and then to the circuit board. The 2 connectors for each truck are opposite sex, so you cannot plug the wrong ones together.

The connector with 4 wires is the motor, and the one with 2 wires is the track power pickup. Since the motor is already isolated from the track pickup, these can be easily wired to the decoder.

There are 2 boards in the chassis, one is the primary power board, and the other is a regulator board for the smoke generators.

On the main board, there are 2 connectors for lights in the cab, number boards, leds above the number boards, and the 2 headlights. (yes there is a rear headlight)

Everything is incandescent lamps except the red/green classification LEDs in the nose. These are bipolar T3 leds. Wiring these for a decoder is a pain, best to pull the lamps and replace with different common anode LEDs, since they use weird voltages.

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